WHAT DO AMERICAN SCHOLARS WRITE ABOUT VIETNAMESE HISTORY?

 

The writer's words.

Like all Vietnamese readers, I am very interested in what foreign scholars write about my country because I hope they provide new documents and discoveries that help illuminate the nation's history. But then I was soon disappointed when I saw people entering Vietnamese history with a condescending and inhumane attitude, insulting an entire nation with their short-sighted understanding. I cannot help but face the insults of my ancestors' sacred souls. I, a person who does not have an academic degree or a salary from any agency, am forced to speak up.

I don't think what I wrote is completely true, I respectfully hope that wise authors and scholars point out the inadequacies so that I can learn more.

H.V.T

 

In the past, although not much was written about Southeast Asian history and culture, American scholars made precious contributions. In 1952, in his work  was Agricultural Origins and Dispersal, botanist Carl Sauer very early commented that Southeast Asia is the cradle of world agriculture. In the 1970s, from archaeological discoveries in Thailand, Wilhem Solheim II shined "New light into the forgotten area," discovering a brilliant ancient culture. Cornell University historian O.W. Wolters, through his truthful writing, tells the world about Southeast Asia as a historical region... Thanks to America's position, thanks to the popularity of English, the discoveries of above scholars news spread widely, helping the Western world have a more accurate view about a region suffering many disadvantages. Southeast Asian people and scholars recognize those invaluable contributions.

After 1975, in response to American society's need to learn about Vietnam, a class of American scholars appeared. Led by Keith W. Taylor. As a Vietnam veteran with Vietnamese knowledge and experiences during the war, he came to the university environment and quickly became a famous scholar. Only eight years later, in 1983, he published the book The Birth of Vietnamese. I enthusiastically received this book in the hope that, from the other side of the world, with his own sources, the author would provide a new perspective on Vietnamese history. But I was soon disappointed because it was a bland book, almost a regurgitation of what was already in Vietnamese history, providing nothing new, other than some documents from the Northern colonial period that exemplified its secondary nature, Vietnamese historians have not used it. Not only that, I was forced to criticize the articles How I started teaching about the Vietnam War (talawas.org April 30, 2005), Regional conflicts between Vietnamese peoples from the 13th century to the century 19th century (talawas 5.30.05) and New perspective on Vietnam (BBCVietnamese.com 9.12.03)

Another person is Liam Kelley, associate professor at Manoa University, whose Vietnamese name is Le Minh Khai. Not only does the author write a lot, but he also created leminhkhaiviet.blog to post articles translated into Vietnamese.

This article is intended exclusively for discussion with the author.

I. Review of some articles by Liam Kelley.

1. About the article: "Hong Bang Thi Truyen" as a tradition created by Vietnamese people in the medieval period.

Refuting the idea that “there is information about ancient periods of history in Vietnamese works that does not exist in Chinese sources, scholars essentially concluded: The Vietnamese must have had their own historical traditions that they passed down orally and then eventually wrote down as soon as their land was freed from Chinese rule,” writes Liam Kelley:

“I think the discussion of Hong Bang Thi Truyen in this essay proves that the Hung Kings were not real. Instead, they were constructed in the medieval period as part of a process in which first the Sinicized intellectual elite in the Red River Delta created, then articulate a particular identity into the concepts of the Chinese cultural heritage.”

To confirm his thesis, the author provides the following evidence:

a. There was no stable population in the Red River Delta in the first millennium BC:

“Vietnamese scholars believe that archaeological discoveries in the Red River Delta from the first century BC, such as Dong Son bronze drums, and evidence of uprisings in approximately a thousand years of China rulers, such as the Trung sisters' uprising in the first century AD, all point to the existence of a stable population group in this area over a long period of time. However, this type of evidence does not necessarily support such a claim.

First, the association of archaeological remains with the people who created the stories in the "Liệt truyện" entails that one has projected the existence of an ethnic group that is said to have existed in history (“Vietnamese people”) were identified from medieval texts to prehistoric archaeological remains…” “As a result, Vietnamese scholars do not question their creation of [the concept of] “people/folk” and consider the extent to which the concept of “people/folk” is different from the concept of Vu Quynh in the 15th century.”

b. “And a more relevant issue is: The stories were recorded in ancient Chinese, a language that was not widely used and was certainly not known to those who were considered to belong to the Hung King category in most of its known history. Furthermore, if those inhabitants possessed an archaic form of what would eventually become the Vietnamese language, as some scholars in Vietnam believe, then it must be recognized that the language spoken that changed quite dramatically over the centuries, especially as Chinese vocabulary entered, first to a limited extent beginning during the Han Dynasty (206 BC – 220 AD), and then more widely during the medieval period. So, if the core information in a story like the Hong Bang Thi Truyen originated in folk tales passed down since ancient times, then scholars need to explain how this could have happened that, and what transmissions conveyed the information as the Vietnamese language developed over the centuries and when this oral information was eventually translated into ancient Chinese.”

  c. "The Tale of Hong Bang" is close to other Chinese texts such as

Thuc Chi:

“As expected, the information in this passage is very similar to the opening paragraph of Liet Truyen's Hong Bang Thi Truyen. Notably, like Hong Bang Thi Truyen, this text makes a genealogical connection to a legendary Chinese leader whose child was born from the marriage between a local woman and a descendant of that chief, and then there were other members of that individual's family who were made rulers of that locality. In other words, both Liet Truyen and Hoa Duong Quoc Chi create a similar story that connects the corresponding places with a character in ancient China.”

Lieu Nghi's story:

“Of course, there are countless stories about dragons and fairies in Chinese literature related to the areas south of the Yangtze River. Accordingly, to determine whether there is any unity in the stories of Lac Long Quan and Au Co, it would be wise to first dig up the catalog of Chinese stories about dragons and fairies. The best place to start is probably the story of Lieu Nghi, and as is well known, there are clear connections between that story and the story of Kinh Duong Vuong and Than Long. And it turns out, there are also similarities between Lieu Nghi story and the passage in Liet Truyện cited above. The connections here are not as direct as those involving Kinh Duong Vuong and Than Long, but they strongly suggest that this story at least gives some idea to the story of Lac Long Quan and Au Co.”

d. “Viet/Yue” as a self-proclaimed concept.

“The influence of Chinese history and literature on the Tale of Hong Bang is extremely significant, in that it fully supports the argument that this story is a medieval construction. With that truth in mind, we need to review our entire understanding of Vietnamese history to adjust to this reality. In what follows, I will attempt to sketch a rough outline of an alternative interpretation of medieval and earlier Vietnamese history that might help explain the writer of the Hong Bang Thi Truyen and reason to write.

First, in contrast to the belief that the “people” of the Red River Delta in the first millennium BC possessed some identity that they maintained throughout thousands of years of Chinese rule, I argue that we One can see a gradual tendency on the part of the Sinicized elite, who lived in an area stretching from present-day North Vietnam to Guangdong, to use the concept “Viet” (Yue) to refer to ostensible,"

It cannot be said that these are evidences that at first glance seem solid. However, in reality, the historical knowledge about Vietnam and the East that the author relied on to come up with the above ideas is outdated and denied by the 21st century, making those arguments useless value!

    If in the 20th century, Eastern humanities were built on the foundation of Huaxinism, which said that humans appeared in Tibet, then invaded China and then from China flooded into Vietnam and Southeast Asia, bring civilization to "civilize" this land; Then on the fateful day of September 29, 1998, when the work Genetic Relationship of populations in China (1) was announced, the foundation of "science" dominated a That time has collapsed!

Scientific discoveries of the new century confirm:

- Modern humans Homo sapiens were born in Africa 180,000 years ago. 70,000 years ago, they followed the coast of South Asia to Vietnam. 50,000 years ago, people from Vietnam migrated to the islands of Southeast Asia, to India.

- 40,000 years ago, due to the warming northern climate, people from Vietnam went up to explore the land today called China.

With this groundbreaking discovery, basic knowledge about the East changed. The trend of history is not "China centric" but the opposite truth: Vietnam is the center of development of Eastern population and culture!

In 2004, when I accessed the above information, I stopped all literary work and focused all my energy on researching Eastern prehistory. After ten years, and hundreds of articles, I have published five books: Finding the roots of Vietnamese culture (Literature Publishing House, 2007); Journey to find roots (Literature Publishing House, 2008); Finding roots through genetics (Literature Publishing House, 2011), Rewriting Chinese history (Amazon-2014) and The historical process of Vietnamese culture (Amazon-2014)

From my research, I discovered that, around 5000 BC, in the central Yellow River, the Australoid Vietnamese people came into contact with the Northern Mongoloid people (who also came from Vietnam but migrated separately, kept having pure genetic resources, later living concentrated in Mongolia) gave birth to the Southern Mongoloid race. The Southern Mongoloid people increased in number, gradually becoming the subject of Yangshao culture, then creating the famous Longshan culture. At this time, the Vietnamese leaders Phuc Hy and Than Nong appeared.

 

Around 2879 BC, Emperor Minh divided the land and crowned his son De Nghi and Kinh Duong Vuong. Red Xich Quy Country was born. Being proficient fishermen and seafarers, the people of the Yangtze River estuary traded by boat to Taiwan, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Vietnam and understood these lands. Chinese history records that around 2700 BC, there was an invasion of Northerners into Trac Loc on the south bank of the Yellow River. In this battle, De Lai (Chinese documents say Si Vuu) died in battle. Later, due to pressure from invaders, Vietnamese people from the Trong Nguon region (now Trung Nguyen) and the eastern coast migrated further to the South. Migrants brought down Southern Mongoloid genes, converting the majority of the Southeast Asian population into Southern Mongoloid. This phenomenon is called by anthropology the process of Mongoloidization of the Southeast Asian population (2) which occurred in the second half of the third millennium BC. In Vietnam, archeology and anthropology confirm this migration: about 4,500 years ago, the Da But people switched from Australoid genetic code to the Phung Nguyen people with gene Southern Mongoloid. In particular, at the Man Bac site in Ninh Binh province, which is over 2,000 years old BC, a burial site with 30 Australoid and Mongoloid human remains were discovered buried together (3). This is solid evidence that the Mongoloid people from the north came down to live with the Australoid indigenous people and then genetically transformed the entire population into the southern Mongoloid people, who are the ancestors of modern Vietnamese people. Thus, archeology and anthropology confirm: the current population of the Red River Delta is not a group of drifters but a community formed more than 4,000 years ago!

On the land captured by the Viet people in the south of the Yellow River, the Mongols established the Imperial dynasty. Because they lived together, they mixed blood with the Vietnamese people, giving birth to the Huaxia people. Over time, the Huaxia people were Vietnameseized and replaced their Mongol ancestors to lead the society of the Imperial Kingdom, creating the Yao, Shun, and Wu dynasties... As descendants of Vietnamese people, living on Vietnamese land, Huaxia people was imbued with Vietnamese culture, worshiping Worship Shannung and Huangdi as ancestors.

Vietnamese people from Trong Nguon (the old name of the Central Plains) and the eastern coast of China evacuated to Vietnam, settling in the highlands of the accreting Red River Delta, bringing with them memories of Fuxi, Nu Wa, Shannung, Kinh Duong Vuong... From memory, they built wind tombs and then built temples to worship them to this day.

With such a historical process and the formation of the Vietnamese population, the four "proofs" that author L. Kelley cited above not only do not support but on the contrary also refute his own argument:

- It is not that "There was no stable population community in the Red River Delta in the first millennium BC" but that it was a large population carrying the Southern Mongoloid genetic code, formed from more than 2000 years ago, following ancient Vietnamese traditions from Hoa Binh, Bac Son... to create Dong Son culture.

- The records in Thuc Chi, the story of Lieu Nghi or the story of Hong Bang thi... are versions of the legend of the founding of the Xich Quy and Van Lang countries circulating in the Vietnamese community in Bashu, Guangtong, Guãngxi and North Vietnam regions.

- "Viet/Yue" as a "self-proclaimed concept" is completely real. Because, about 18,000 years ago, when creating a new stone ax, the Hoa Binh people were proud to be the owners of humanity's advanced tools, so they called themselves Vietnamese with the word Qua (). About 12,000 years ago, when wet rice was invented, the Vietnamese people called themselves Viet with the word Viet Mi (). And about 4,000 years ago, when creating the bronze ax, the Vietnamese people called themselves with a new title: the word Viet  Zhou ()!

-Regarding the author's important question is language: "The story is recorded in ancient Chinese, a language that is not widely used and probably not known to people who are considered to belong to the Hung King category" throughout most of its known history..." can be easily answered: Vietnamese is the creator of the Chinese language.

People from Vietnam who came to explore China brought their voices with them. Over tens of thousands of years of living in China, the majority of the Chinese population is Vietnamese. Chinese is Vietnamese spoken according to Mongolian grammar(4). Not only that, Chinese hieroglyphs were also created by Vietnamese people to represent Vietnamese sounds!(5)

The above analysis shows that, even though "Hong Bang Thi Truyen" was recorded in the Middle Ages and has inappropriate additions and deletions by the scribes, it is still the soul of a real event that happened in the past, is preserved in the deep memories of a large community of people, living in the vast area of what is now China and Vietnam, for nearly 5,000 years. That is absolutely not a "tradition created" in the Middle Ages!

 

In a treatise nearly 20,000 words long: "Thai words (Tai) and the position of the Thai people in the past of the Vietnamese people," L. Kelley said that "quan lang", "mi nuong", "bo chinh", "ancient" ... are words of Thai origin that entered Vietnamese in the Middle Ages, and affirming: "Thai people and Vietnamese people are not brothers who lived in harmony in ancient times and then went on different paths. Instead, they were different peoples who became neighbors in the Middle Ages and fought with each other until the Vietnamese eventually achieved dominance over the Thai in the greater Red River Delta region in fifteenth century.”

Let me say that history and culture are human social activities in time and space. Therefore, to understand the history and culture of a community of people, the first thing is to understand them. Please ask professor: Who are Vietnamese people? Who are Thai people? What is their genetic code? Where does the origin come from? How to go through the historical process and then live together in Vietnam? I'm sure, the professor can't answer! Therefore, discussing which words are Vietnamese, which words are Thai, and how they lived together in the past is just a matter of gossip! I sympathize with the professor because I know that, until the end of the last century, there were no answers to the above questions! But in my opinion, it's like this:

70,000 years ago, two great races of people, Australoid and Mongoloid, came from Africa to Vietnam. They met, mixed blood, giving rise to four ancient Vietnamese races: Indonesian, Melanesian, Mongoloid and Negritoid, with the majority Indonesian (Lac Viet) holding the leading role in society and language. After living together for 60 - 70,000 years in Vietnam, they not only share the same bloodline but also the same culture, in which Lac Viet is the base language. This is why attempts to use comparative linguistics to trace the origin of each ethnic group in Vietnam have not achieved the desired results! Since 40,000 years ago, different races of Vietnamese people broke up to explore China. There is a basis to believe that, from Northwest Indochina, a group of people later called Tay-Thai followed the Bashu corridor to Northwest China, occupying the Shaanxi and Shanxi regions. It was they who named the places with the word "ancient/gu" that still exist today in this region. That is also the language and culture that created the Poetry scriptures according to Maspéro's findings that Kelley cited in the article. Regarding the Thai people, history books record that: the wife of Emperor Khoc, the fourth king of the Emperor dynasty, was Mrs. Khuong Nguyen, a daughter of the Thai clan: "Chu Hau Tac, named Khi. Her mother is from the Thai clan, her name is Khuong Nguyen. Khuong Nguyen is Di Khu's former concubine." (周后稷,名弃。其母有邰氏女,曰姜原。姜原为帝喾元妃.) Another lineage in Lac Viet went to China, exploring the Trong Source plain, in Son Tay, Henan, which later became the land of the founding king of the Han Dynasty. China's only female emperor Wu Zetian gave her title as Viet Co Kim Luan Thanh Than Emperor (越古金轮圣神皇帝) and Tu Thi Viet Co Kim Luan Thanh Than Emperor (慈氏越古 轮圣神皇帝). This proves that she is Vietnamese. Her Vietnamese identity is also in her milk name and her maiden name is My Nuong! That is also the name of the princesses of King Hung. Thus, "mi nuong" is not only the private property of the Thai people but is common to all Viet ethnic groups. Likewise, co/gu is an ancient Vietnamese word, transliterated from the word "ke" which is very popular in the North! Therefore, My Nuong in the story Son Tinh, Thuy Tinh is not at all the "Thai princess" as L. Kelley imagined! Maybe the history of a part of the Tay-Thai people is like this: from Vietnam, they went to Northwest China, creating Nguong Thieu and Long Son culture. When this region was invaded by the Mongols, a part of the population lived with the Mongols, contributing to the birth of the Huaxia people. One of the Thai beauties married Emperor Khoc and gave birth to the Zhou dynasty ancesty. Later, due to the intrusion and oppression of the Northern nomads, the Thai people made a large migration from Shaanxi and Son Tay to Ha Nam and then crossed Yangtze to Guangxi. Next, they migrated to Laos, Thailand, and Burma. In Vietnam, because the Vietnamese population is too large, Thai people do not penetrate much and can only live in the periphery. Thus, after a long time away, a part of the Thai people returned to their ancestral land. People returning from China to Laos and Thailand call the fourth branch of the Twelve Branches is Rabbit. However, there is still a part of Thai people who do not migrate but live in Vietnam and other countries such as Thailand, Laos... Thai people in Dien Bien are an ethnic group that has lived since ancient times on Vietnamese land because in the book, their "Chong Bang" (a type of divination book) records that the fourth branch of the Twelve Branches is Mau, which is Mao (Cat). Statement by W.G. Solheim II: "There are many similarities and no important differences between the Neolithic people in Ban Kao and the Thai people today" (2) testifies to this!

Thus, not at all as L. Kelley thought, “they were different peoples who became neighbors in the middle ages and fought with each other until the Vietnamese finally gained dominance over the Thais. ” That is the process of integration of Thai people into the Vietnamese community when the Vietnamese state was formed!

3. About the I Ching and lost messages

To refute the article The I Ching belongs to the Vietnamese people by scholar Nguyen Thieu Dung, L. Kelley wrote:

  “Recently someone forwarded me an article that appeared in an electronic newspaper with the headline “The I Ching belongs to the Vietnamese people”.

There has been an effort for many years on the part of a handful of people to prove that the ancient text was created by "Vietnamese" people. It was a very nationalistic attempt to try to say that “Vietnamese” knowledge and culture preceded “Chinese” knowledge and culture and that China therefore borrowed from “Viet”, and not the contrary, as is commonly believed.

I need to read more of Kim Dinh's work, but I believe that the attempt to show that "the South" created the culture that "the North" now praises began with him ( but perhaps there are earlier examples of this line of argument?)

I have long wondered what motivates people to persist in making this point, when most people don't believe what they say. Is it just nationalism? Is nationalist narcissism really that strong?

By an amazing coincidence, a friend of mine who works for NASA sent me an audio file this morning of a type of message that NASA's space recorders had picked up from somewhere beyond our solar system. My friend thought it sounded like Vietnamese, so he sent it to me.

It's a bit hard to hear, but I think they're saying…I Ching is Vietnamese!”

Without providing any evidence or logic to refute the opponent but strongly accusing them of being nationalist, how can we avoid being hasty and arbitrary?! The fact that "most people don't believe" is not a proof? So many things that many people don't believe are true! Humanity once did not believe that the Earth was round, so is it strange that many people do not believe that the I Ching belongs to the Vietnamese people? What a pity, why should a university professor waste his energy pushing an already open door?!

The eloquent words above only prove that the professor said things that you did not know! The truth that the professor did not expect was that Chinese scholars themselves did not dare to claim the I Ching as theirs.

In an article published in "The World of Unknown Things" (history, archeology section), Jiangsu Publishing House, China, 2008. After quoting the ancient book "Bao Xi Hua Goai", the author gave asked: "People immediately wondered if such a complicated thing could have been created by a legendary character named Fuxi?" Denying Fuxi, the author cited the opinion that the Eight Trigrams were likely created by people of the Shang Dynasty using armor and bones to predict, deduced from the burnt crack lines on the turtle shell, which is a creation during the Shang Dynasty, rather than being created by Fu Xi in ancient times according to legend."

Seeing that this theory was unsatisfactory, another theory was proposed: "As for the "I Ching", it was most likely a work of the Zhou Dynasty, very difficult to understand, so Confucius in the Spring and Autumn period read "I Ching". "Vi bien tam tuyệt" , meaning that at first even Confucius could not understand it, he read it over and over again, causing the buffalo leather strap tying the bamboo card to break three times. When he finally read it and understood it, Confucius edited it further, and thus, "I Ching" immediately became a Confucian classic."

But there are also those who believe that the Bagua and "I Ching" represent the evolution of ancient Chinese people's awareness of natural phenomena, social phenomena... Each stage of development It cannot just be the creation and invention of someone, but is a progressive process with inheritance and development, continuously and continuously. Saying that the Fuxi family created the Eight Trigrams is actually oversimplifying this issue.”

The article concludes: "The last of the three theories above is quite reasonable, but it negates the "Bao Xi hua goai" theory that has been passed down for thousands of years in China, so it is very It's hard to be accepted by everyone.

In the end, who created Bagua? While we still haven't found a better answer, we still have to rely on the words in ancient books to attribute the credit to the Fu Xi family according to legend."(6)

Here, people are afraid of "hard to please" the crowd, so they sacrifice the truth! Obviously the last theory is reasonable but it is ignored and the cat is still a cat, everything returns to the starting point! It is true that Fu Xi could not create I Ching, but it was the work of thousands of people that took place over thousands and thousands of years. But once it has been achieved, according to ancient customs, people confer the initiative of the whole community on the revered leader, just as they once attributed to Shan Nung "teaching agriculture" or the Emperor created the Nei Jing... But who was Fuxi? The book says he lived around 4800 BC. During this period, China was completely a land of Vietnamese people. It was not until 2000 years later, with the invasion of the Yellow Emperor, that the Huaxia people were born. That is the hybrid class of descendants of Fu Xi, Shennong and the Emperor's Mongol warriors. Realizing that origin, the Hua Xia people called themselves descendants of Emperor Yan and Emperor

“At the International Conference on Translation Studies in Shandong China in 2011, Vietnamese scholar Tran Ngoc Them demonstrated that the philosophy of yin and yang was formed from the practical life of wet rice agriculture in Southeast Asia, the two words “yin and yang” originates from the two words "mother" and "heaven" in Southeast Asian languages (ina - yang). The pair of concepts "yin and yang" with the order of yin before and yang after is formed on the basis of synthesizing the two most important pairs of concepts in the life of wet rice growers: "mother, father" and "earth and sky". It bears bold traces of a Southeast Asian cultural tradition that favors women, different from the Chinese tradition of favoring men, expressed through the two pairs of words "parents" and "heaven and earth". MSc. Nguyen Ngoc Tho presents a series of manifestations of the ideology of yin and yang and the five elements in all areas of customs, traditions, legends, etc. of Vietnam from past to present as evidence of primitiveness and autonomy, development of yin and yang, dichotomy and duality ideology in Vietnamese and Southeast Asian cultural traditions.”

“Commenting on the reports of the Vietnamese delegation, Prof. Ngo Di (California Holistic Research Institute, USA) commented that: "For a long time, translation researchers have often relied only on ancient books and documents excavated from tombs, ignoring the process of historical development" its history. The Zhou Yi  must have been the result of contributions from residents of many regions, a product of development over many eras. Therefore, understanding the origin of I Ching must be expanded to look from many angles as Vietnamese scholars are doing, not just limited to one place, with a familiar type of evidence.

“Summing up this conference session, Prof. Vuong Jun Long (Institute for the Study of Traditional Chinese Thought at Shanghai Normal University) concluded: In his report, Professor. Tran Ngoc Them from Vietnam has shown that the origin of the I Ching cannot be found in legends but must be found in the combination of natural conditions with the socio-historical context of real life. Through meticulous research, with clear evidence, based on the analysis of the unique characteristics of wet rice agricultural life, the author has convincingly demonstrated the Southeast Asian origin of yin and yang ideology. Two reports by Vietnamese scientists are closely linked together into a unified whole, showing that the yin and yang culture prioritizes mother over father, earth over heaven, with a very interesting dichotomous thinking. It is very different from the Chinese tradition of male preference and the concept of ambivalence that is very familiar in Northeast Asia.”(7) That is a newly discovered truth, not found in ancient books. Of course, L. Kelly doesn't know!

What's to blame is that at the end of the article, Professor L. Kelley made a joke! This proves that the author did not know anything about the person he was arguing with. At the age of 73 this year, Mr. Nguyen Thieu Dung used to be a lecturer at Hue University. After 1975, he stayed at home as a healer, studying Oriental medicine and translation theory. He discovered that the Yin symbol was dots…. The Yang symbol is a solid line - on the bronze drum. In the comments exchanged between Mr. Dung and Kelley, we see that his words are sincere and sincere, he truly wants to discuss academics, but Kelley always avoids! By playing a discourteous game with a respected scholar, will the author avoid being known for being disrespectful?!

II. Causes of L. Kelley's mistakes

We can see two reasons for the mistake of the Manoa University professor. One is methodological inadequacy. The author has applied the methodology of relying only on the text. Such an approach may be suitable for the West, where nations were formed late and historical events are quite well-documented and well-archived. The historian's job is to read the documents and then give their opinions. For Vietnam, such methods are not enough. Because Vietnam's history is too long, including 1,000 years of foreign domination and then when the country was conquered, there was constant war. Vietnam's historical documents are not only few but also looted and burned. What remains is often distorted. Westerners have a proverb: "Half a bread is bread but half the truth is no longer the truth!" Therefore, the existing documents, although very valuable, are not all history. Once we consider it as the entire history, how can we avoid being subjective and one-sided? Therefore, writing Vietnamese history is very difficult. It's not just pages, the writer must understand the soul of history! This is not easy for foreign scholars who are unfamiliar with Vietnamese culture.

The second, more important reason is that, like other Western scholars, L. Kelley suffers from what I call the knowledge trap. This trap was set up by Western scholars in the last century. That is the imposition of the concept of China-centric. Originating from the theory that humans appeared in Tibet, entered China and then descended to Southeast Asia, scholars of the Far East believed that China is the center of Asia. The Chinese created civilization: language, writing, I Ching, Confucianism, Rites, Music... and then spread it to the "barbarian" peoples of Southeast Asia. Such concepts became shackles that bound world scholarship throughout the twentieth century!

But in the 21st century, another truth was revealed: It is not China-centric but Viet- centric that is the flow of Eastern history! Not from the North but from Vietnam, the Vietnamese people brought genes, language, new stone tools, rice, millet and agricultural culture to build China! This is a discovery that upsets notions about Eastern history and culture. But due to the inability to accept new information, many Western scholars, including L. Kelley, are still immersed in old thinking!

III. Conclude

Vietnam's history has been distorted in Chinese, Western and now American languages. That is the bitter truth that no one can deny!

With his articles, L. Kelley seems to want to destroy the temple of Vietnamese history that was built long ago and painstakingly cultivated for half a century in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. That is also a drastic denial of modern Vietnamese historians, who are the authors or co-authors of today's Vietnamese history book!

What is unusual is why Vietnamese historians are completely silent?!

Perhaps the best answer is that they cannot answer! It can't be because they read the same books that exploit one aspect, while the other exploits another aspect, they have no argument to refute! As an example: when Tran Trong Duong said "eureka" "Kinh Duong Vuong is just a product of Chinese culture", academicians had to keep quiet, some even followed suit! This is the same as before, when seeing someone declare: "Words like Ke, Mo... are not purely Vietnamese at all but are all 100% Made in China", even though it was very frustrating, Tran Quoc Vuong only had could complain to Cao Xuan Hao: "I know Hue Thien is talking nonsense but I can't refute it!" (8) This is because historian Viet and L. Kelley both stand on the China-centric frame of reference, a frame of reference that only provides a historical view from the past 2000 years but is viewed upside down!

However, once we escape this frame of reference and enter the Viet mind frame of reference, everything becomes clear. When he realizes this, L. Kelley will certainly see that if he wants to become a good Vietnamese scholar, he must write differently first! Vietnamese scholars will be equipped with great weapons to explore the nation's magnificent history and culture. That weapon already exists and is sharpened every day.

                                                               

                                                                          Full moon in January 2014

                                                                                          HVT

 

 

Reference

1. J. Y. Chu et al. Genetic Relationship of Populations in China http://www.pnas.org/content/95/20/11763.long

2. Nguyễn Đình Khoa. Nhân chủng học Đông Nam Á. NXB Đại học&THCN, 1983.

3. TS. Marc Oxenham: Tôi thất vọng về thông tin lệch lạc!

http://vietbao.vn/Van-hoa/TS-Marc-Oxenham-Toi-that-vong-ve-thong-tin-lech-lac/20422593/181/

4. Hà Văn Thùy. Hành trình tìm lại cội nguồn. NXB Văn học 2008

5. Hà Văn Thùy. Chữ Việt chủ thể tạo nên chữ viết Trung Hoa. vanhoanghean.com.vn/index.php?option=com_k2..

6. Nguyễn Trung Thuần: HỌC GIẢ TRUNG QUỐC CŨNG CHƯA DÁM NHẬN KINH DỊCH CỦA MÌNH.

http://www.lyhocdongphuong.org.vn/dich-hoc/chi-tiet/hoc-gia-trung-quoc-cung-chua-dam-nhan-kinh-dich-cua-minh-2668/

7. Hội thảo Quốc tế Dịch học tại Sơn Đông năm 2011.

http://www.vanhoahoc.edu.vn/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2110&Itemid=94

8. Lời Cuối Cùng Thưa Với Ông An Chi ! http://www.vanchuongviet.org/index.php?comp=tacpham&action=detail&id=17094

 

 

 

 

 

NEW DISCOVERY IN THE TAM PA LING CAVE NORTH LAOS


Talk to scholars Anna Salleh, Shackelford and Petraglia

 

From the latest discoveries at Tam Pa Ling cave, (1) in a deductive way, the researchers inferred the problems of the Southeast Asian population as follows:

1. Seven human fossils have been discovered in Tam Pa Ling cave, dating from 35,000 years to 86,000 years. This allows to determine the continuous human presence in Southeast Asia for 50,000 years.

2. The latest excavation finds: "While the skull fragment dates from 67,000 to 73,000 years ago, the leg bone fragment belongs to an individual who lived between 68,000 and 86,000 years ago."

3. Authors such as Shackelford and Petraglia suggest that “The group of H. sapiens represented by the Tam Pa Ling fossils may be extinct.”

4. Professor Petraglia said the latest research adds to the idea that there were earlier and more widespread migrations of modern humans. "It is putting a very important dot on the map of migration." He also said the discovery in the cave 300 km from the coast tells us more about the routes that human ancestors took through Southeast Asia to Australia. The picture of rapid dispersal presented by genetic evidence, he said, supports the idea that humans were traveling around coastal routes by boat. But the latest evidence suggests that inland routes are also important.

5 “This suggests that small groups of hunter-gatherers are moving through inland Asia and not necessarily using coastal routes,” said Prof. Petraglia.

Our feedback

1. To review the article, we use an inductive method, from all that is related to the population situation in the area, leading to determining the role of Tam Pa Ling Cave. The most important factor is the migration of people from Africa to Southeast Asia. Although considered important, unfortunately, so far the migration has not reached a final conclusion. There still exist two different migration patterns, by Stephen Oppenheimer. The model published in 2003 states that: Humans followed the Red Sea Gate out of Africa 85,000 years ago, into the Arabian Peninsula. About 80,000 years ago, African migrants moved east. Upon arrival in India, a part of immigrants entered India, forming the first population in South Asia, with about 10,000 people 74,000 years ago. But unfortunately, at this time, the Toba volcano on the island of Sumatra erupted, destroying the environment and destroying the entire population of India. Meanwhile, a branch of migrants entering Southeast Asia reached Sundaland and the island of Borneo. From Borneo a stream went north, reaching Vietnam 70,000 years ago. The rest goes east to make up the population of the South Pacific islands and Australia.

But in his 2012 (2) article, Oppenheimer himself rejected this option, suggesting an exodus from Africa after the Toba Incident, about 72,000 years ago. And at the same time, the migration to the East to Vietnam was carried out 70,000 years ago.

From our research, we reject this migration for two reasons: 1. It is not possible for a group of people to carry out two consecutive migrations in a short time and 2. The migrants of the migration cannot be found this migration in Southeast Asia. Therefore, we support the 2003 (3) article's policy of migration before the Toba incident.

 

                 

The bones were washed away in Tam Pa Ling cave                   New bone fragments found in Tam Pa Ling Cave

                          (Fabrice Demeter)

 

     Here is the exodus out of Africa according to our discovery:

- Based on Oppenheimer's 2003 suggestion, we used dowsing pendulum to find out the time and number of migrants in each wave. The following results:

Pendulum said, people have three times out of Africa.

First time: Leaving Africa 130,000 years ago. Humans from Northwest Africa to the Levant. The number of people leaving 15,000. Destroyed 90,000 years ago in the Levant.           

Second time: Leaving Africa 125,000 years ago. From the Red Sea Gate to the Arabian Peninsula. 10,000 people migrated to the East. Destroyed at Zhirendong (116–106 kyr), Fuyan Cave (120–80 kyr), Huanglongdong (100–80 kyr), Lunadong (127–70 kyr).

Third time:

Humans came out of Africa 83,000 years ago. From the Red Sea mouth to the Arabian Peninsula.

  -Number of people leaving: 20,000 of which haplogroup M 15,000 people. Haplogroup N 5000 people.

  - They left the Arabian Peninsula to the East 76,000 years ago.

   - The time when Toba volcano erupted 74,000 years ago.

   - Man was destroyed in India 20,000 in 74,000 years ago.

   - Volcanic eruptions and impacts for 10,000 years.

   - 70,000 years ago, a caravan of 10,000 "lucky" people arrived on Borneo Island.

   - Came to Vietnam 70,000 years ago, with 6000 people. In which haplogroup M 5000 people, haplogroup N 1000 people.

   - The rest go to the East with about 3000 people. 70,000 years ago they came to Australia with about 500 people.

Today, it is necessary to have a more comprehensive view of the role of Tam Pa Ling Cave. Homo sapiens appearing at Tam Pa Ling Cave were not solitary humans but part of the overall migration of humans out of Africa to Vietnam 70,000 years ago. In our own way, incorporating spiritual elements, we calculated that about 6,000 people reached Vietnam, more specifically in Hoa Binh. Archeology has discovered dense Hoa Binh archaeological sites in Hoa Binh and Thanh Hoa provinces. This shows that this is the center of immigration. Looking more closely at this immigration, we know that two haplogroup N and haplogroup M mixed blood to create four ancient Vietnamese races: Indonesian, Melanesian, Mongoloid and Negritos. Soon after, the Mongoloid group went to the frozen Northwest and lived separately there, causing during the new era, in Vietnam there were only three races Indonesian, Melanesin and Negritos, and the Australoid type group.

Then, from Hoa Binh, the ancient Vietnamese spread out to the surrounding area. We can be sure that the Mongoloid Liujang woman was among those who took refuge in the Northwest. The group of people from Hoa Binh turned west and arrived at Tam Pa Ling Cave. The seven skeletons found at Tam Pa Ling were not isolated individuals. They are located in the flow of Hoa Binh people to the West. Therefore, to say as Shackelford and Petraglia: "The H. sapiens group represented by fossils found at Tam Pà Ling may be extinct" is not convincing. Their descendants make up the population of Laos, Thailand, and Myanmar.

In Vietnam, 5,000 Australoids and 1,000 Mongoloids mixed blood to form the ancient Vietnamese community, in which the number of Australoids was overwhelming. Australoid people occupied the Thanh, Nghe, Tinh, Hoa Binh and northern mountainous areas, making up the population of Vietnam. From Vietnam, the ancient Vietnamese Australoid went to the West, to Laos, Myanmar...

Tam Pa Ling Cave in Northern Laos is a rare place located on that migration path. Comparing the age of the man in the Tam Pa Ling cave 63,000 years with the age of the woman Liujiang in Guangxi 68,000 years, we see that the age of people in Vietnam is older, showing the tendency of people from Vietnam to spread to the West to make up the population of Western Indochina. In the 1920s, many Hoa Binh sites were discovered and people from Hoa Binh spread to Asia. Looking at the entire population of Paleolithic Southeast Asia, it is clear that Hoa Binh was the center, from here the ancient Vietnamese spread to Southeast Asia. Archeology and genetics uncovers ancient Vietnamese migrations that made up Australia, the South Pacific, Sundaland and India… 50,000 years ago. Thanks to the guidance of the dowsing pendulum, I have calculated, this migration is of 100,000 ancient Vietnamese. This shows that 6000 Africans migrated to Vietnam 70,000 years ago, after 20,000 years gave birth to 100,000 inhabitants of the East. From that we can confirm, African migrants to Vietnam made up the first population of Southeast Asia. Then from Vietnam, the population spread around. Conclusion: the people present at Tam Pa Ling cave are ancient Vietnamese from Vietnam. They are descendants of the Vietnamese people and their descendants also proliferate and make up the population of Southeast Asia.

2. “Seven human fossils have been discovered in Tam Pa Ling cave, dating from 35,000 years to 86,000 years old. This allows to determine the continuous human presence in Southeast Asia for 50,000 years.” The findings of the article authors are completely correct. This discovery shows that, in Tam Pa Ling, there was a second wave of migrants out of Africa 125,000 years ago. They traveled to Southeast Asia and were destroyed by cold at Zhirendong (116–106 kyr), Fuyan Cave (120–80 kyr), Huanglongdong (100–80 kyr), Lunadong (127–70 kyr).

3. Authors such as Shackelford and Petraglia suggest that "The group of H. sapiens represented by fossils found at Tam Pa Ling may be extinct." We see, the two authors' suggestions mentioned above are just predictions without evidence. Meanwhile, reality shows that, in the third wave of migration, African migrants followed the Indian Ocean coast to Vietnam and then from Vietnam to Tam Pa Ling. They were born Tam Pa Ling and Southeast Asian. We are descendants of these migrants.

4. The picture of rapid dispersal given by genetic evidence supports the idea that humans are traveling around coastal routes by boat, says Prof. Petraglia. But the latest evidence suggests that inland routes are also important.

In our opinion, this is not correct. First of all, there is no such thing as boat migration. The simple reason was that, at that time, there were only old stone tools, so they could not cut wood to make boats. In Southeast Asia, a wooden boat appeared about 8000 years ago. Riverboats to go to sea were only born 5000 years ago. However, at that time, the sea level was 130 meters lower than today, so Southeast Asia's islands were the Sundaland plain. Humans travel on land and cross rivers and streams thanks to rafts and wooden panels.

5 “This suggests that small groups of hunter-gatherers are moving through inland Asia and not necessarily using coastal routes,” said Prof. Petraglia. Professor Petraglia's assessment is correct because of the fact that, when leaving South Asia, the migration group traveling on the Sundalan mainland to Borneo and then to Vietnam or to the South Pacific do not follow the coast.

We imagine the migration route of Africans as follows: They followed the eastern shore of the Indian Ocean, reached the highest peak of the arc, when the Toba accident occurred. Because they were farthest from the volcano's location, they escaped and went next to the coast. At the most favorable position, they crossed the sea from the East coast of the Indian Ocean to the West of the island of Borneo. Here they split in two, one line went north, to Vietnam. The other stream goes south, down to the South Pacific and Australia.

 

                                                                                                      Saigon, June 25, 2023.

 

1.Anna Salleh. Fossil bones found in Laotian cave are oldest evidence for modern humans in mainland South-East Asia, say scientists. ABC Science

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-06-14/oldest-evidence-for-modern-humans-in-mainland-south-east-asia/102471990

2.  Stephen Oppenheimer. Out-of-Africa, the peopling of continents and islands – NCBI https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267120/

3. Stephen Oppenheimer. Out of Eden - The Peopling of the World - Bradshaw Foundation https://www.bradshawfoundation.com/books/out_of_eden.php

 

HOA BINH CULTURE A RED MILESTONE IN HUMAN HISTORY

 

 On June 13, 2023, an international team of five scientists including Kira Westaway, Meghan McAllister-Hayward, Mike W Morley, Renaud Joannes-Boyau, Vito C. Hernandez (1) announced their latest discovery of the Monkey Cave cause shock. Monkey Cave (Tam Pa Ling cave) in Northern Laos was discovered in 2009. Since then, the scientific team has continued to stay and found five fossils of modern humans, dating from 35,000 to 67,000 - 73,000 years. This time, finding a skull fragment of an individual who lived from 68,000 - 86,000 years ago allows determining the continuous presence of humans in Southeast Asia for 50,000 years, pushing back the date of humans' arrival in Southeast Asia. The number 86,000 years is surprising because it is outside the limit we still know about the presence of African migrants, leaving scientists confused.

Commenting on the new discovery of Kira westaway's group, scholars such as Shackelford and Petraglia (2) said that "The H. sapiens group represented by fossils found at Tam Pa Ling may be extinct." “The latest research adds to the idea that there were earlier and more widespread migrations of modern humans. It's putting a very important dot on the map of migration."

It's confusing because archaeologists, like an occupational disease, often focus on the site under study and have little connection to the surrounding sites, causing them to see Tam Pa Ling as an orphan site, do not contact other addresses in the area. If we look at Tam Pa Ling in relation to other sites, we will have a different opinion.

It is true that there were earlier migrations of modern humans. It was the first departure from Africa 130,000 years ago. People from Northwest Africa came to the Levant but were destroyed by cold here 90,000 years ago. Time II: Leaving Africa 125,000 years ago, 10,000 people from the Red Sea Gate went to the Arabian Peninsula and then went to the East. It is impossible to know the route of this migration. Only know that, in the final stage, they were destroyed at Zhirendong Guangxi (116–106 kyr); Lunadong Guangxi (127–70 kyr); Hunan Fuyan Cave (120–80 kyr); Huanglongdong Hunan (100–80 kyr). There is absolutely reason to believe that the 86,000-year-old bone fragment in Tam Pa Ling, Laos is also part of this second wave of people leaving Africa! Both of these migrations were unsuccessful.

Not far from Tam Pà Ling, to the Northeast, at the Guangxi Liujiang site, where the complete skull of a 68,000-year-old Mongoloid man was discovered, very close to the 63,000-year-old skull at Tam Pà Ling. The people at these two locations were part of the third migration, the only successful exit from Africa. 83,000 years ago, 20,000 people crossed from the mouth of the Red Sea to the Arabian Peninsula. After more than 5,000 years of wandering here to increase their population and receive some Neanderthal genes, 76,000 years ago, they left the Arabian Peninsula to go to the East. On the way, a group into India, creating the first population in South Asia. 74,000 years ago, the Toba volcano erupted, destroying the environment and killing 20,000 people in India. Meanwhile, the main migrant group had reached the northern tip of the Indian Ocean arc and was lucky to escape. 70,000 years ago, a migration group of 10,000 people arrived on the Island of Borneo. From West Borneo, about 6,000 people went to Vietnam.

The remaining 3,000 people went south. About 500 people went to Australia. Thus, of all three trips out of Africa, only the third one was successful, creating humanity outside of Africa. Thanks to archaeological discoveries of valuable remains in Tam Pa Ling and Liujang, we know that migrants came to Southeast Asia. At the same time, examining the DNA of the world's living population, genetics discovered a miracle: African migrants came to Vietnam and created humanity! Reviewing the migration process, we see that of the 10,000 people who reached the Island of Borneo, 4,000 people went to the South Pacific but were unsuccessful. Later, from rare fossils, it was known that a small number of people reached Australia. The 68,000-year-old Australoid skull at Lake Mungo, Australia, proves this. It can be guessed that a few people survived to later integrate with the stream of migrants from Vietnam to Australia 50,000 years ago.

So, 83,000 years ago, 20,000 people left the African Ancestral Land on an aimless adventure for 13,000 years so that 6,000 people could reach Vietnam! It can be considered the only group that succeeded in this third exit from Africa. From those 6,000 initial seeds, 50,000 years ago gave birth to 100,000 people from Vietnam who went out to dominate the islands of Southeast Asia, the South Pacific, Australia and India. 40,000 years ago, 40,000 people from Vietnam went to mainland China, giving birth to the ancestors of the Chinese, Koreans, Japanese and indigenous people of the Americas and 10,000 people went to the West, giving birth to the ancestors of the Europeans.

Discovering that miracle is not the merit of archeology but of genetics. In fact, in Vietnam's soil and climate conditions, human remains buried in the ground only exist for about 30,000 years! Therefore, it is common sense that the remains of people who set foot in Vietnam 70,000 years ago have turned into dust. For archeology, it is a depth without trace. All the archaeologist's measurements are meaningless! When the archaeologist's measure is powerless, the geneticist appears, helping us reveal the secrets that nature hides in our blood. Thanks to genetics, we know that 70,000 years ago our ancestors were born from the intestines of African migrants!

A question naturally arises: Without the remains of 70,000 years ago, would Hoa Binh be recognized as the first human cultural site outside of Africa? The answer is no longer within the authority of archaeologists but of geneticists who sequence the DNA of our blood!

Even if the bones of 70,000 years ago cannot be found, Hoa Binh is still a great and sacred site marking the first human settlement outside Africa, creating humanity today. That's why Hoa Binh Culture is a brilliant milestone in human history!

 

                                                                                                                  Saigon, March 1, 2024

Reference

1. Kira Westaway, Meghan McAllister-Hayward, Mike W Morley, Renaud Joannes-Boyau, Vito C. Hernandez. Bones the ‘Cave of the Monkeys’ and 86,000 years of history: new evidence pushes back the timing of human arrival in Southeast Asia

https://theconversation.com/bones-the-cave-of-the-monkeys-and-86-000-years-of-history-new-evidence-pushes-back-the-timing-of-human-arrival-in-southeast-asia-206232

2.Anna Salleh. Fossil bones found in Laotian cave are oldest evidence for modern humans in mainland South-East Asia, say scientists. ABC Science

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-06-14/oldest-evidence-for-modern-humans-in-mainland-south-east-asia/102471990