Talk
to scholars Anna Salleh, Shackelford and Petraglia
From the latest discoveries at Tam Pa Ling
cave, (1) in a deductive way, the researchers inferred the problems of the Southeast
Asian population as follows:
1. Seven human fossils have been discovered
in Tam Pa Ling cave, dating from 35,000 years to 86,000 years. This allows to
determine the continuous human presence in Southeast Asia for 50,000 years.
2. The latest excavation finds: "While
the skull fragment dates from 67,000 to 73,000 years ago, the leg bone fragment
belongs to an individual who lived between 68,000 and 86,000 years ago."
3. Authors such as Shackelford and
Petraglia suggest that “The group of H. sapiens represented by the Tam Pa Ling
fossils may be extinct.”
4. Professor Petraglia said the latest
research adds to the idea that there were earlier and more widespread
migrations of modern humans. "It is putting a very important dot on the
map of migration." He also said the discovery in the cave 300 km from the
coast tells us more about the routes that human ancestors took through
Southeast Asia to Australia. The picture of rapid dispersal presented by
genetic evidence, he said, supports the idea that humans were traveling around
coastal routes by boat. But the latest evidence suggests that inland routes are
also important.
5 “This suggests that small groups of
hunter-gatherers are moving through inland Asia and not necessarily using
coastal routes,” said Prof. Petraglia.
Our feedback
1. To review the article, we use an
inductive method, from all that is related to the population situation in the
area, leading to determining the role of Tam Pa Ling Cave. The most important
factor is the migration of people from Africa to Southeast Asia. Although
considered important, unfortunately, so far the migration has not reached a
final conclusion. There still exist two different migration patterns, by
Stephen Oppenheimer. The model published in 2003 states that: Humans followed
the Red Sea Gate out of Africa 85,000 years ago, into the Arabian Peninsula.
About 80,000 years ago, African migrants moved east. Upon arrival in India, a
part of immigrants entered India, forming the first population in South Asia,
with about 10,000 people 74,000 years ago. But unfortunately, at this time, the
Toba volcano on the island of Sumatra erupted, destroying the environment and
destroying the entire population of India. Meanwhile, a branch of migrants
entering Southeast Asia reached Sundaland and the island of Borneo. From Borneo
a stream went north, reaching Vietnam 70,000 years ago. The rest goes east to
make up the population of the South Pacific islands and Australia.
But in his 2012 (2) article, Oppenheimer
himself rejected this option, suggesting an exodus from Africa after the Toba
Incident, about 72,000 years ago. And at the same time, the migration to the
East to Vietnam was carried out 70,000 years ago.
From our research, we reject this migration
for two reasons: 1. It is not possible for a group of people to carry out two
consecutive migrations in a short time and 2. The migrants of the migration
cannot be found this migration in Southeast Asia. Therefore, we support the
2003 (3) article's policy of migration before the Toba incident.
The bones were washed away in Tam Pa Ling
cave New bone fragments
found in Tam Pa Ling Cave
(Fabrice Demeter)
Here is the exodus out of Africa according to our discovery:
- Based on Oppenheimer's 2003 suggestion,
we used dowsing pendulum to find out the time and number of migrants in each
wave. The following results:
Pendulum said, people have three times out
of Africa.
First time: Leaving Africa 130,000 years
ago. Humans from Northwest Africa to the Levant. The number of people leaving
15,000. Destroyed 90,000 years ago in the Levant.
Second time: Leaving Africa 125,000
years ago. From the Red Sea Gate to the Arabian Peninsula. 10,000 people
migrated to the East. Destroyed at Zhirendong (116–106 kyr), Fuyan Cave (120–80
kyr), Huanglongdong (100–80 kyr), Lunadong (127–70 kyr).
Third time:
Humans came out of Africa 83,000 years
ago. From the Red Sea mouth to the Arabian Peninsula.
-Number of people leaving: 20,000 of which haplogroup M 15,000 people.
Haplogroup N 5000 people.
- They left the Arabian Peninsula to the East 76,000 years ago.
- The time when Toba volcano erupted 74,000 years ago.
- Man was destroyed in India 20,000 in 74,000 years ago.
- Volcanic eruptions and impacts for 10,000 years.
- 70,000 years ago, a caravan of 10,000 "lucky" people arrived
on Borneo Island.
- Came to Vietnam 70,000 years ago, with 6000 people. In which
haplogroup M 5000 people, haplogroup N 1000 people.
- The rest go to the East with about 3000 people. 70,000 years ago they
came to Australia with about 500 people.
Today, it is necessary to have a more
comprehensive view of the role of Tam Pa Ling Cave. Homo sapiens appearing at
Tam Pa Ling Cave were not solitary humans but part of the overall migration of
humans out of Africa to Vietnam 70,000 years ago. In our own way, incorporating
spiritual elements, we calculated that about 6,000 people reached Vietnam, more
specifically in Hoa Binh. Archeology has discovered dense Hoa Binh
archaeological sites in Hoa Binh and Thanh Hoa provinces. This shows that this
is the center of immigration. Looking more closely at this immigration, we know
that two haplogroup N and haplogroup M mixed blood to create four ancient
Vietnamese races: Indonesian, Melanesian, Mongoloid and Negritos. Soon after,
the Mongoloid group went to the frozen Northwest and lived separately there,
causing during the new era, in Vietnam there were only three races Indonesian,
Melanesin and Negritos, and the Australoid type group.
Then, from Hoa Binh, the ancient Vietnamese
spread out to the surrounding area. We can be sure that the Mongoloid Liujang
woman was among those who took refuge in the Northwest. The group of people
from Hoa Binh turned west and arrived at Tam Pa Ling Cave. The seven skeletons
found at Tam Pa Ling were not isolated individuals. They are located in the
flow of Hoa Binh people to the West. Therefore, to say as Shackelford and
Petraglia: "The H. sapiens group represented by fossils found at Tam Pà
Ling may be extinct" is not convincing. Their descendants make up the
population of Laos, Thailand, and Myanmar.
In Vietnam, 5,000 Australoids and 1,000
Mongoloids mixed blood to form the ancient Vietnamese community, in which the
number of Australoids was overwhelming. Australoid people occupied the Thanh,
Nghe, Tinh, Hoa Binh and northern mountainous areas, making up the population
of Vietnam. From Vietnam, the ancient Vietnamese Australoid went to the West,
to Laos, Myanmar...
Tam Pa Ling Cave in Northern Laos is a rare
place located on that migration path. Comparing the age of the man in the Tam
Pa Ling cave 63,000 years with the age of the woman Liujiang in Guangxi 68,000
years, we see that the age of people in Vietnam is older, showing the tendency
of people from Vietnam to spread to the West to make up the population of
Western Indochina. In the 1920s, many Hoa Binh sites were discovered and people
from Hoa Binh spread to Asia. Looking at the entire population of Paleolithic Southeast
Asia, it is clear that Hoa Binh was the center, from here the ancient
Vietnamese spread to Southeast Asia. Archeology and genetics uncovers ancient
Vietnamese migrations that made up Australia, the South Pacific, Sundaland and
India… 50,000 years ago. Thanks to the guidance of the dowsing pendulum, I have
calculated, this migration is of 100,000 ancient Vietnamese. This shows that
6000 Africans migrated to Vietnam 70,000 years ago, after 20,000 years gave
birth to 100,000 inhabitants of the East. From that we can confirm, African
migrants to Vietnam made up the first population of Southeast Asia. Then from
Vietnam, the population spread around. Conclusion: the people present at Tam Pa
Ling cave are ancient Vietnamese from Vietnam. They are descendants of the
Vietnamese people and their descendants also proliferate and make up the
population of Southeast Asia.
2. “Seven human fossils have been
discovered in Tam Pa Ling cave, dating from 35,000 years to 86,000 years old.
This allows to determine the continuous human presence in Southeast Asia for
50,000 years.” The findings of the article authors are completely correct. This
discovery shows that, in Tam Pa Ling, there was a second wave of migrants out
of Africa 125,000 years ago. They traveled to Southeast Asia and were destroyed
by cold at Zhirendong (116–106 kyr), Fuyan Cave (120–80 kyr), Huanglongdong
(100–80 kyr), Lunadong (127–70 kyr).
3. Authors such as Shackelford and
Petraglia suggest that "The group of H. sapiens represented by fossils
found at Tam Pa Ling may be extinct." We see, the two authors' suggestions
mentioned above are just predictions without evidence. Meanwhile, reality shows
that, in the third wave of migration, African migrants followed the Indian
Ocean coast to Vietnam and then from Vietnam to Tam Pa Ling. They were born Tam
Pa Ling and Southeast Asian. We are descendants of these migrants.
4. The picture of rapid dispersal given by
genetic evidence supports the idea that humans are traveling around coastal
routes by boat, says Prof. Petraglia. But the latest evidence suggests that
inland routes are also important.
In our opinion, this is not correct. First
of all, there is no such thing as boat migration. The simple reason was that,
at that time, there were only old stone tools, so they could not cut wood to
make boats. In Southeast Asia, a wooden boat appeared about 8000 years ago.
Riverboats to go to sea were only born 5000 years ago. However, at that time,
the sea level was 130 meters lower than today, so Southeast Asia's islands were
the Sundaland plain. Humans travel on land and cross rivers and streams thanks
to rafts and wooden panels.
5 “This suggests that small groups of
hunter-gatherers are moving through inland Asia and not necessarily using
coastal routes,” said Prof. Petraglia. Professor Petraglia's assessment is
correct because of the fact that, when leaving South Asia, the migration group
traveling on the Sundalan mainland to Borneo and then to Vietnam or to the
South Pacific do not follow the coast.
We imagine the migration route of Africans
as follows: They followed the eastern shore of the Indian Ocean, reached the
highest peak of the arc, when the Toba accident occurred. Because they were
farthest from the volcano's location, they escaped and went next to the coast.
At the most favorable position, they crossed the sea from the East coast of the
Indian Ocean to the West of the island of Borneo. Here they split in two, one
line went north, to Vietnam. The other stream goes south, down to the South Pacific
and Australia.
Saigon, June 25, 2023.
1.Anna Salleh. Fossil
bones found in Laotian cave are oldest evidence for modern humans in mainland
South-East Asia, say scientists. ABC Science
2. Stephen Oppenheimer. Out-of-Africa,
the peopling of continents and islands – NCBI
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267120/
3. Stephen Oppenheimer. Out of Eden - The Peopling of the World -
Bradshaw Foundation https://www.bradshawfoundation.com/books/out_of_eden.php
